“The People Formerly Known as The Congregation” By Bill Kinnon (Link)

August 31, 2010


Saw an interesting polemic today by Bill Kinnon at kinnon.tv.  Check out the whole thing here.  Here’s a little excerpt:

We are The People formerly known as The Congregation. We have not stopped loving the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Nor do we avoid “the assembling of the saints.” We just don’t assemble under your supposed leadership. We meet in coffee shops, around dinner tables, in the parks and on the streets. We connect virtually across space and time – engaged in generative conversations – teaching and being taught.

We live amongst our neighbours, in their homes and they in ours. We laugh and cry and really live – without the need to have you teach us how – by reading your ridiculous books or listening to your supercilious CDs or podcasts.

…And, as The People formerly known as The Congregation, we invite you to join us on this great adventure. To boldly go where the Spirit leads us. To marvel at what the Father is doing in the communities where He has placed us. To live the love that Jesus shows us.

Let me know if you read the post and also let me know: what do you think? (don’t be afraid to comment anonymously)

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5 Responses to ““The People Formerly Known as The Congregation” By Bill Kinnon (Link)”

  1. Bill Kinnon Says:

    Joe,
    Thanks for mentioning this, but I did put it up in March of 2007, rather than today. 🙂

    Bill

  2. joewulf Says:

    Sorry Bill, little late to the game on this one. Lol! Keep writing and stirring the pot.

  3. Tom Gerritsen Says:

    It sounds like being counted under:
    Deuteronomy 23:1–8
    23 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: 4 Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee. 5 Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee. 6 Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever. 7 Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother: thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land. 8 The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the congregation of the LORD in their third generation

    The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2009

    CONGREGATION, SOLEMN ASSEMBLY. The noun ‘congregation’ is used to render several Heb. words, one of which is also translated ‘assembly’.

    Wood, D. R. W., & Marshall, I. H. (1996). New Bible dictionary (3rd ed.) (220). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press.

    This if I count what the words spoken really mean.
    My question is, who is the one responsible for the teaching and who is the one making sure that all is biblical? You can not mean that you meet up to just discus the bible without leadership or accountability as you end up just discussing your life, rather then preaching truth.
    What about rebuking people?
    I do believe in fellowship and that we can do more about this, but also I do believe in the leadership that needs to take place. What else are you doing in your new job in the Church you just joined?

    I believe in the need for a God appointed leader, or how do you explain 1tim3 and others?

    It surprises me to see mention of meeting in coffeeshops and just all be one, without leadership and the guys proclaiming this still going for a fulltime ministry job. It sounds strange that they are payed in the way that church leaders are payed and do not have a normal job as you would expect a leadership free church.

    Where is the biblical foundation for “teaching and being taught”? It sounds to me dangerously as tho the person teaching did not study the bible about what he is teaching if he expects to be taught during the teaching. I do not see mention of this proces in the bible anywhere.
    Paul did not mention how he was learning from the corinthians, nor did he instruct Timothy or Titus to be open to the teaching from the “fellowship with the saints”.

    This is dangerous stuff you are posting Joey and I would love to discuss this with you. Show me in the bible what it says and where I am wrong.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not attacking you. Some of my remarks can sound like this, I am just wondering about the base you are building this on. I love you as my brother.

  4. joewulf Says:

    @Tom I think a great many preachers would love to speak to people who are actively engaging, processing and rehashing what they are saying. As someone who has and does teach others, I love it when people disagree with me or when they have questions or challenges for me. As Paul has said, “Not that I have already attained this – that is, I have not already been perfected – but I strive to lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus also laid hold of me” (Phil 3:12).
    It is not that the church is or should be without leaders or leadership, but that the body is awakening to the fact that Jesus has not called them to be mindless follower of pastors. He has called his church to be passionate followers of him. Pastors/leaders, as the author of Hebrews says (13:7), are to be people who model the life Jesus is calling his church to.

  5. Smitty Says:

    Now I know this is a little old, but I just felt like catching up on some old Joey posts and had to read this link…

    I thought this was kind of funny, and for some reason it really struck a chord with me…
    “My goodness, if you told us that the 1st century church held everything in common – you might be accused of being a socialist – and of course, capitalism is a direct gift from God. Please further note: Malachi 3 is speaking to the priests of Israel. They weren’t the cheerful givers God speaks of loving.”


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